I live in China and people often ask me, “Is Sina a good investment?”
The truth is that Sina is really not a good investment in my honest opinion. I’ll tell you the pros and cons of this stock. It’s basically a list of cons so don’t get your hopes up if you are looking for pros.
Go to www.sina.com and click on the country you are from. The whole site looks shockingly junkie and there are messy ads everywhere. This isn’t “Chinese” taste. It’s just pretty pathetic and only works because they were at the right place at the right time early on. Companies can coast on that only for so long…..
The stock has risen from $20 to $98 since April 200o and it makes no logical sense. It makes sense for stocks in a growth phase to be losing money but you need to be profitable at some point and they’ve had plenty of time. Here are reasons I wouldn’t touch Sina with a 10 foot pole:
1. It’s very overvalued.
2. It’s obviously resting on it’s laurels and not innovating. It reminds me of a really bad version of Yahoo. The look and feel of their site shows that a future company paying more attention to detail could dethrone it.
3. It’s still losing money after all this time.
4. The good news is already priced into the stock but the bad news isn’t. Good news is that China is a huge and growing internet market and Sina is currently a top dog in it’s space. To me it’s obvious that it’s not going to stay that way for years to come. They don’t have much competition and still manage to lose money even though they aren’t competing with Twitter and Facebook since those sites are blocked in China.
5. More and more Chinese internet users are using VPN proxy servers to access the blocked sites like Twitter and Facebook. I live there and I don’t know anyone who likes it. Chinese people use it because it’s there, not because it’s good.
I wrote about the Chinese internet bubble and Sina is a major part of it. They bought a stake in Tudou.com, another garbage internet company.
The bulls of the China internet sector argue that they have the most internet users in the world and they are still growing fast. They argue that Sina is a household name in the world’s most populous country. The funny thing is that I totally agree with those claims but I strongly believe that the stock is very vulnerable to being the next MySpace after Facebook came into play or the next Yahoo after Google. I read and write Chinese and there is just nothing that will hold people to Sina. If something better comes along, people will migrate. Remember that it’s still losing money and there is very little competition from outsiders.
The only thing I can imagine for Sina is that they have ties to the government and sign some deal with Twitter and do some kind of a revenue sharing co-branding thing. I’ve never heard of that possibility though so I wouldn’t count on it.
There is so much potential downside for the stock and very limited upside. It’s a poorly run company but it’s stock has been mysteriously well rewarded.
Even though the company is incubated from outside competition it stands little chance of surviving any bad news. The stock trades on thin volumes and could tank at any time. They are the opposite of cutting edge in an industry where being cutting edge is everything. They don’t seem organised or nimble enough to move with the changing internet. It’s more like a junk pile of silly news. It’s not adding much value to the users and it’s not making a profit.
I’m personally not a short seller because there could always be something I’m missing like a surprise buyout. If I was a short seller, however, I’d strongly consider Sina. It’s one of the worst stocks I can think of and I’m glad I don’t own it. A pretty bad combo for a super expensive stock. If you ask me, investing in Sina is a bad idea. I could be wrong, but at least you’ve been forewarned.
If anyone has a counter argument, I’d love to read it.
Hi Andrew,
I think that you omit the fact that the micro-bloging part (weibo ??) of Sina is Huge in China at the moment, and no other website come close to it. A lot of people are betting on the company because of it.
Everybody use it, from normal people to famous or political people.
Sure it’s still new and unprofitable but i think that they try to make money out of it.
I don’t say that Sina is a good investment either but you should consider this aspect also!
Hi Loic,
I agree with you that Weibo is a good thing for Sina to have, and ironically, I think that’s why it makes Sina an even worse investment. My thinking is that people are saying it’s like “the Twitter of China” or whatever they are comparing it to so it makes people think of dollar signs and pushes up the price to insane levels. I believe people want to believe in China and the internet but they don’t know how to go about investing in it. In my opinion, it’s just ridiculous that Sina is far more expensive than Apple in terms of P/E. I think a few more disappointing quarters for Sina will have investors dumping this silly stock and pushing the price a lot lower. I admit I don’t know for a fact but I strongly believe this way. Thanks for your comments. Which part of China are you living in by the way?
Andrew
I live and work in Qingdao at the moment, but i plan to move to Shanghai soon.
Can I have your email address? I would like to exchange with you sometime.
You’re right when you say that China is crazy about Apple and starbucks, i see it even in remote places. I would consider being long on appl in the near future.
Hi Loic.
Cool. A good way to contact me is to go to http://www.china232.com and send me an email in the contact section. My brother and I make that website together. If I write my email here, I’ll get spammed like crazy from all the software programs that will pick it up.
Andrew
Hey Andrew,
I totally agree with you on the main page of Sina, I never go to sina to read news, that’s just a whole heap of junk. I go to 163 sometimes, which is much more clearer. I think the only thing sina got right now is weibo, before weibo it’s its blogs. They are both low skilled tech. I’m in US now, and I can read news at nytimes, cnn, etc. There are actually other news websites in China, but they are dominated by gov newspapers, so not so much fun as 163, baidu and tianya.
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